Seeing the abomination

He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? Yet you will see still greater abominations than these.”  Ez.8

You can’t flee it
if you don’t see it.

Called out.

Jesus said, “When you see the abomination……… flee to the mountains”.

So you are not going to flee it, until you see it.

For me, seeing the abomination (wickedness in the Harlot Church) was an incremental thing. I saw a lot of it while I was still in it, but I did not have understanding or revelation of what exactly i was seeing. I was seeing bad stuff but I did not “see” or get what it really was! I did not yet have prophetic revelation or understanding, of what I was seeing. All I knew was that there was something very wrong that went against the Spirit inside me. This caused great spiritual distress and emotional confusion.

It would take too long to describe all the things I saw while still in the apostate System. One was seeing the corporate business marketing that was the
foundation of the Church. Another was hearing the pastor in the pulpit make fun of things like obedience, separation from the world, holiness, open air type evangelism, and certain gifts of the Spirit. Another thing was seeing the promotion of worldly authors, celebrities and events in all the “stories” they told during sermons. Another was seeing that the Church Leadership had no discernment at all when they hired a lady who was functioning as a witch and practicing witchcraft as pastor of the Children’s ministry department. Another thing was seeing that the Hegelian Dialectic method of group think consensus (conformity to the group) was the primary goal of the small groups. Along with that was the studying of the small group teacher training material and realizing that the entire goal of the small groups was not to disciple new believers to be devoted followers of Jesus Christ, but to be devoted to the group and actually do the opposite of what scripture says! Another was the implementation of the whole Rick Warren/ Bill Hybels type Church growth marketing scheme, complete with Willowcreek money-purchased false gospel skits & sermons.  Another was having my pastor, to my face,  defend the proud Freemason (who mocked me), over me. He also called me unloving for trying to defend the truth and discern error. In that same meeting, he also suggested to me that, “this Church is not for everybody” (hint hint).  I was completely blacklisted from being involved in any leadership role or ministry outside 1st grade Sunday School. Another when we saw a guest false teacher (a change agent) from Fuller, preach an anti-biblical seminar.  Another was when we heard the lead pastor preach the Rick Warren/ UN approved “global world peace” false gospel at the Christmas show.

At the next Church, it was seeing the patriotism, nationalism, focus on “the troops” (nothing against the troops I love and pray for them, the point is, the Church was in full unquestioning support of the war), praying for the president’s success (it was Republican administration at the time)…and the focus on the “Tim LaHaye/ Left Behind” version of Christianity……. the denial of spiritual meanings of scripture, the denial of the blood of Christ (per JMac’s doctrine), the denial of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the denial of the working of the Spirit today (cessationism), and the lack of real love for the sheep who were in need or hurting. And a lot of other disturbing things too numerous to mention happened there.

My personal “seeing” of the abomination happened one Sunday morning in this Church. I was sitting there, dressed in my Church clothes, trying very hard
to please a certain person at the Church by my Church attendance, Church clothes , dressy shoes & nylons, hair done pretty, happy disposition, trying to act and look “holy” (self-righteousness) and cooperating with their Church traditions……… all to try to please this one person so I would be accepted. All of a sudden the Lord spoke to me: “This is what you are choosing in place of Me?”

I was in shock.

I sat there in the pew. Stunned.

I was horrified.

I realized He would give me what I wanted the most. One or the other.

“No, Lord! I want you! ” I cried out silently to Him.

He was basically telling me that I must choose:  this Thing I was living for……. or Him.

He revealed to me that I had substituted all this stuff—all this Church stuff—-for Him, in my heart. I saw the abomination, and it was in my heart. I was also sitting in an abomination (a substitute for Christ, corrupted with that which was evil)  and accepting it as a substitute for Jesus Himself, the One whom I loved. Jesus, my first love! …… and here i was, accepting a substitute, in place of Him.

That moment terrified me.  I began repenting in earnest.

A few weeks later, during a time or sorrowful realizing of the spiritually discouraging situation at that Church, my husband decided that we were “done with —-” (this Church.) At that VERY MOMENT after my husband said “we are done”, the Lord spoke to me again, saying “You are free, released,  to follow Me.”  He called me out. I came out of Babylon. Why? To be with Him, to follow Him. Where? Wherever He goes! It has been an *amazing* almost 3 years so far. It’s been the most exciting time of growth, understanding, relationship and LIVING THE LIFE in Him, since I first met Him as a teenager.

The Church-State.

The rest of this note focuses on one aspect of the abomination. The Church-State. This is one level of the “Harlot sitting on the Beast”.
One of the scariest things to me, is seeing a Federalized American flag, on a Church stage. With a Christian flag. And a pulpit. And a Christmas tree. (lol)

I saw “Church-State” in all the Churches I was ever in. This is an abomination. I’m not going to explain why here. The Holy Spirit will teach and reveal this to you. Ask HIM. He will show you.

This is why believers who refused to participate in the Roman Catholic Church AND the Protestant Church of the Reformation were killed by BOTH GROUPS. They refused to participate in Church practices/rituals that were Roman Catholic and significantly, the other reason is they refused to participate in and submit to The Church-State, knowing this conflicted with their allegiance to Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. This issue, choosing of one’s allegiance between opposing kingdoms (Christ or…. Caesar and “the gods”), was the one issue that many early followers of Jesus in the Roman Empire (first two centuries) went to their deaths over. This issue of allegiance was the reason for the mass persecution of Christian believers in the Roman Empire.

I’m just going to share one more story.

Back before I was called out, a few years ago, I decided to have some “fun” and participate in a “fun” event with the greater Christian community in my area.  Just for fun, I decided i would participate in our local “living nativity” at Christmas time. Now, this is not just some little bitty thing in a booth with 5 people. No, this is the biggest living nativity event in America. It covers a whole block. It has tons of live animals (very cute). It has a huge “set”. It has a hundred or more volunteers playing kids, merchants, Roman soldiers, Jewish priests, harlots, wise men, bible school students, dancing maidens, and of course Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus in the manger. There are also traffic and security volunteers. Also, the city police and fire departments are all there making sure things are safe and orderly.  It is a big production. It is drama. It is spectacular. It is fun!

I volunteered as a “Roman centurion’s wife”– lol. I’m sure back then there were no upper class Roman women roaming around in Bethlehem so I pretended that I was some Roman centurion’s wife who went with her centurion husband to his post in Judea. I went all out with a homemade Roman dress, with big hair, big jewelry, makeup, and quite an act. I was cute, funny and all the rage at Bethlehem AD. The crowd went wild at my dramatic act. There were some issues though. During the “show” (10,000 people come though each night for 3 nights before Christmas), the Roman soldiers and Jewish high priests were flirting with me, even though I am clearly married in real life, and everyone participating was supposedly a Christian? Right? Well, what did I expect, walking around Bethlehem in a flaunty outfit with big hair and acting all flamboyant? What was I thinking? I wanted to have some fun with the Christian community. Strangely, this event is “supposed” to be a ministry, is rather an act of worship for those participating (or maybe just “fun” for many), and an “outreach” of the gospel for the public. Except. There is NO gospel proclamation. It is a play. A silent play, acting, part theatre, part dance (the dancing girls, the arm waving female angels with lit up crowns)………… there is no preaching, no real gospel being proclaimed. No Christ crucified. No call for repentance. No good news of salvation through Christ. There is the acting out of Romans collecting taxes and taking census, Judean village life and foreigners traveling through from the East. And lots of cute animals. And a live sweet “baby Jesus” in the manger with his natural parents looking upon him.

Well I did that for a few years. The year I came out of the System, i realized I did not want to do that anymore. Actually i grieved and repented of my participation in it. : (

I was asked back to play the part of the famous “Roman lady”….. and i apologetically denied, and said i was sorry I just can’t do it anymore. To me (now) , it was sin. They were very sorry that I would not participate any more. I felt like I was letting the Director down. I told her I was sorry.

But I understand that to many many other Christians, this is worship. It is loving Jesus. It is outreach. To them it is not sin, they see it as something not bad but good, something Christian. They are dear, sweet brothers and sisters. I understand. It took me 42 years to see the abomination.

One thing I found out is, that the participants that act in the show, come from ALL over the community, all kinds of different denominations and Christian religions. And non Christians too. Community and civic groups also participate. This tells me something. It is an ecumenical, civic event “for the common good” more than anything.

I discovered something that helped me see the big picture of this Church-State abomination. The city council was thinking of denying the Church the permission to do this, some years back. They also offered to buy the block sized lot from the Church, to develop it. The Church would not sell, and they wanted to keep doing the living nativity show. They also wanted funding from the city to cover some of the thousands of dollars it costs annually to put this production on.  So they struck some kind of a deal. The city would give permission and give money, and the Church would put on the show, and the mayor, fire chief, police chief and city council members would get to be the Wise Men and the Roman governor(s) and important Roman officials, and ride around in chariots receiving accolades and cheers from the masses.

Yes really.

The event brings at least 30, 000 people to the city from all over the Bay Area and California each year. That is nice for the local economy and the glowing reputation of the city. And the Church gets to do “outreach” (with no gospel WORDS about the truth of Jesus) to the 30,000 people who come to the event. Both the Church and the city government benefit from this arrangement. It is a favorable relationship they are both satisfied with. This joint Church-State effort is an abomination.

(The Church receives money for this event from private donors, the city council /the city government , and also corporations, businesses and civic groups.)

Last year I gave someone a ride to the event and dropped them off. As i was approaching in my car one night last December,  I was horrified. I sucked in my breath and my jaw dropped. I now saw it all differently. This is how it looked to me. There were the lights and the dozens of white dressed female angels doing their worship “dance” on top of the Church roof, with floodlights everywhere, swinging around in the night sky. I heard music…. i heard the noise……. I saw the cast members…… the Church people……..I saw the civic leaders, (the mayor! and all the others)all dressed up in the chariots partying and reveling and laughing and waving and swearing and  joking around and being quite irreverent…….. i saw the Roman soldiers doing their act with comedy routines and laughing…..I saw the flames of fire (campfire) and the dancers dancing around it……. it seriously looked to me like I was coming down the mountain and approaching the camp of Israel as she was having her orgy of riotous idolatry and wicked harlotry around the golden calf. This was a whole city block now, in full Hollywood mode. To me i saw a horrific abomination. I was frightened and prayed to God for mercy for everyone involved.

There are 2 Kingdoms on this planet. The kingdom of this world, and the Kingdom of God. They are both operating now. Everyone is in either one or the other. The saints are the “holy ones”….. the called out assembly.  We are not to “mix” with the kingdom(s) of this world. We are not to make legal and economic alliances with them. We are not to make deals with them. We are not to receive their money for favors granted. We are not to “revel and play” with them.

The “Church-State entity” is another kingdom. It is an unholy mixture. It is a blend. It is a “tapestry”: a fabric of blended, interwoven mixed components. The Church-State entity is a kingdom of the world. The “Church-State” has not the true interests of Christ, nor does it rightly represent Him.  It has worldly interests and represents the world. It does not preach Christ, it actually preaches the things of the world. It does not preach allegiance to Christ, it preaches allegiance to the world system. We either join “with” the kingdoms of this world, mixing our loyalties and allegiance, or we are loyal to the Kingdom of God alone, with Jesus Christ our sole allegiance.

It’s either one or the other.

If we all have not yet chosen which will be our sole allegiance, we all soon will.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev.18:4

spirit of politics, pt.2

Now Herod and Pilate became friends with one another that very day; for before they had been enemies with each other. Luke23:12

The Pharisees went out and immediately began conspiring with the Herodians against Him, as to how they might destroy(kill) Him. Mark3:6

But the Pharisees went out and conspired against Him, as to how they might destroy(kill) Him. Matt12:14

“If we let Him go on like this, all men will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.” Jn11:48

Pharisees & Chief Priests were also of the SPIRIT OF POLITICS, patriotism, earthly kingdoms, killing and war and death.

-Politics & patriotism: they had deals with the Roman Government System, worked with them in compromise, for their benefit, so they could keep their status quo.
-Earthly kingdoms: worried that they would lose theirs: “they’ll come and take away our place and our nation”.
-Killing & war: determined to kill anyone who embarrassed them or got in the way of their plans and desires to rule.
-Death: plotted to have Jesus* killed.

Persecution will be a choice

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev.12:11

Persecution will be a choice
September 26, 2012
From now on, in the West, persecution will be a choice, it will be something we will have to choose, it won’t be a blanket persecution of all professing Christians – we will have to choose whether to OBEY Jesus, who is The Truth, and be persecuted, or, deny His Truth, and escape persecution. Therefore the coming persecution will only be against a remnant who preach the Truth, and who refuse to compromise.
– Ian Vincent

are you willing

“Jesus is Lord”  1Cor12:3

Year 202 AD.
Roman State Official: “Declare your allegiance to Caesar! Say, ‘Caesar is lord’ and burn your incense on the altar to the gods of Rome!”

Christian: “No! I refuse. Jesus is Lord!” (declared with joy)

Roman Official: “Die Christian scum! You are guilty of sacrilege and treason against the Empire!”

Christ followers 202 AD: willing to die.

Year 2012 AD.
Roman State Official: “You have been approved. Sign here on the dotted line for your 501c3 State Incorporation Contract so you can have limited liability, financial gain and State permission and oversight.”

Pastor: “Yes sir!” (submissively)

Roman State Official: “Congratulations! Welcome to the Corporation. You are now duly incorporated with the State. By the power vested in me by the State, I pronounce you a Government Incorporated registered Church. Here is your manual of obligations, rules, regulations, requirements, and restrictions. Have a nice day!”

Churchianity 2012: willing to compromise

Government to Enlist Churches via “Partnership”

What does the Government (and Rick Warren and the UN) have planned for the Institutional Church? Social and economic Communitarianism through Church-State partnerships. According to the research I have previously done on “Faith Based Initiatives”, participating churches are NOT allowed to preach Jesus or in any way evangelize, when “in partnership” with the Government and receiving government money for carrying out government programs and goals.

We, the called out ones, are married to Christ, not to the antichrist Beast Government which has an agenda that is of the world system and of the kingdom of darkness. We are part of the Kingdom NOT of this world. We heed the will of the Lord Jesus Christ, not the earthly “powers that be” that are against Christ and His Gospel. We cannot have two Masters; Jesus and the Government. We must choose Whom we will serve. God or mammon. Christ or Belial.

News article from the Weekly Standard: (emphasis mine)

The Green Shepherd

BY Meghan Clyne

Gospel-less Haiti Relief

While looking for news about the Haiti relief effort a few weeks back, I ended up on the World Vision site where I saw a link to the book, The Hole in Our Gospel, by Richard Stearns, the president of World Vision. Looking for information about this book, I found two interviews with statements that are very important for us to understand at this time, so that we may continue to be found faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ.

In this Sojourners interview, Stearns discusses his philosophy of ministry and his position on the president’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

Read the Sojo interview here at this link.

In this PBS interview, Stearns discusses World Vision’s policy on religion, evangelism and proselytization, as well as his position on Obama’s Faith Based Task Force.

Watch the PBS interview here at this link.

Please continue reading for a collection of quotes from these interviews, and my analysis and exhortation to all the saints.

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If I Went to Jail Would You be Ashamed of Me

I admit sometimes I lack patience with a certain group of people and rather than press the “ignore” button and keep walking, I do sometimes choose to take on the situation. Some would say this is a major fault of mine, even sin, and others would say this is the desire to Defend the Faith and Contend for Truth (which again, many would say is wrong to do because it causes division and is ‘unloving’). The particular group I’m referring to here is professing Christians who do not believe the Bible is sufficient, but must be mixed with Humanism and Psychology, who think that pleasing and blending with the world is more important than faithfulness & obedience to Christ, who play footsie with New Age Spirituality, and who dislike the authority of scripture, the exclusivity of the Gospel, and evangelism. I’m talking about the apostacy.

Of course the DMV was closed today.

I bumped into a man who is on staff at a Ne0-E megachurch. He was telling me that he is in seminary so I thought he might be preparing to be a pastor. But he is taking advanced Counseling and Psychology courses. I asked him if he did “Christian Counseling” which utilizes Psychology primarily, or “Biblical Counseling” which utilizes the scripture. He was telling me that now these two camps are now blended together. He kept dropping the word “Spirituality“–and I gave him the benefit of the doubt –at first, although that buzzword set off my alarm bells. Then he started sounding more like a New Ager. He said, “Things are different now” (referring to the many beliefs of the clients, and the new methodology); “if someone comes in saying they do crystals or moon rocks (or such), then we work with that.”

I asked him to affirm what I was hearing: that what he was telling me was that he must operate as a functional Universalist in his counseling sessions. He did not deny. I challenged him, asking why he cannot just operate as a Christian, and he said, “It would not work” (because they want to help people). Then I asked him if he was telling me that Pragmatism was more important than faithfulness to Christ? That did not go over well.

The old city jail bars, in use for 40 years, are now a museum display.

Since he was sounding very New Age, I asked him about sharing the Gospel with the clients and he told me he always leaves them (the unbelievers) with “the Golden Rule”- encouraging them to “do unto others”. When I said that is not the Gospel, he told me he would only talk about that “when the door is open”. He had an expression and tone that indicated, “That is not appropriate”. I asked him if Jesus’ words in Mark 16:15 and Mat. 28:18-20 were not the open door? . He got agitated and challenged me: “Well why don’t YOU go down to the DMV and preach! And when they throw you in jail, well, how about that!” (He made it sound like it would be the most contemptible and dreaded thing that could happen.) But raising my arms up in an attitude of victory,

I told him joyfully, “Wonderful! That would raise up more and more bold courageous evangelists who would be glad to go to jail for the Gospel!”

He shook his head, as if I did not get his point. He explained, “No! No! We would….” ( he indicated in word and facial expression that the rest of the Christians would be disgusted and look with disdain and embarrassment upon me.)

One of the new beefed up high security city jail cells.

If choosing Truth and faithfulness to the Lord Jesus Christ lands me in jail someday, the Compromising Christians will be ashamed of me. But those who believe the Word and trust and follow Jesus regardless of the consequences, will not be ashamed. I trust that by the Spirit, God will have you either visit me in jail, or else he will move you out on the street, preaching and telling the Gospel, to your joy, and His glory.

Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God.. 2Tim1:8

For this reason I also suffer these things, but I am not ashamed..2Tim1:12

Listen! Sermon Jam: John Piper UNASHAMED!!

Evangelicals and Everyone Together

In light of the recent “Evangelical Manifesto“, which was approved by Deepak Chopra, this humorous list by John Piper is a welcome diversion from all the insanity currently taking place in the Modern Evangelical church. Here’s a few I really like:

3. They believe that truth really matters.
6. They have backbone and are not prone to compromise principle.
7. They put obedience to Jesus above the approval of man.

Can you guess what #20 is?

Read: 20 Reasons Why I Don’t Take Potshots at Fundamentalists…..

Here are a couple interesting quotes from the Evangelical Manifesto:

“We call on all citizens of goodwill and believers of all faiths and none to join us in working for a civil public square and the restoration of a tough-minded civility that is in the interests of all. ”

“As the global public square emerges, we warn of two equal and opposite errors: coercive secularism and religious extremism. We also repudiate the two other positions. First, those who believe their way is the only way and the way for everyone, and are therefore prepared to coerce them. This position leads inevitably to conflict. ”

“…we are also troubled by the fact that the advance of globalization and the emergence of a global public square finds no matching vision of how we are to live freely, justly, and peacefully with our deepest differences on the global stage.”

“We urge adherents of other faiths around the world to understand that we respect your right to believe what you believe according to the dictates of conscience, and invite you to follow the golden rule and extend the same rights and respect to us and to the adherents of all other faiths, so that together we may make religious liberty practical and religious persecution rarer, so that in turn human diversity may complement rather than contradict human well-being. ”

“…we reach out to people of all other faiths with love, hope, and humility. With God’s help, we stand ready with you to face the challenges of our time and to work together for a greater human flourishing.”

What does all this sound like to you?

My analysis is in the comment section, and here is an article by Berit Kjos:

Article: An Evangelical Manifesto for an Interfaith World.