Seeing the abomination

He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? Yet you will see still greater abominations than these.”  Ez.8

You can’t flee it
if you don’t see it.

Called out.

Jesus said, “When you see the abomination……… flee to the mountains”.

So you are not going to flee it, until you see it.

For me, seeing the abomination (wickedness in the Harlot Church) was an incremental thing. I saw a lot of it while I was still in it, but I did not have understanding or revelation of what exactly i was seeing. I was seeing bad stuff but I did not “see” or get what it really was! I did not yet have prophetic revelation or understanding, of what I was seeing. All I knew was that there was something very wrong that went against the Spirit inside me. This caused great spiritual distress and emotional confusion.

It would take too long to describe all the things I saw while still in the apostate System. One was seeing the corporate business marketing that was the
foundation of the Church. Another was hearing the pastor in the pulpit make fun of things like obedience, separation from the world, holiness, open air type evangelism, and certain gifts of the Spirit. Another thing was seeing the promotion of worldly authors, celebrities and events in all the “stories” they told during sermons. Another was seeing that the Church Leadership had no discernment at all when they hired a lady who was functioning as a witch and practicing witchcraft as pastor of the Children’s ministry department. Another thing was seeing that the Hegelian Dialectic method of group think consensus (conformity to the group) was the primary goal of the small groups. Along with that was the studying of the small group teacher training material and realizing that the entire goal of the small groups was not to disciple new believers to be devoted followers of Jesus Christ, but to be devoted to the group and actually do the opposite of what scripture says! Another was the implementation of the whole Rick Warren/ Bill Hybels type Church growth marketing scheme, complete with Willowcreek money-purchased false gospel skits & sermons.  Another was having my pastor, to my face,  defend the proud Freemason (who mocked me), over me. He also called me unloving for trying to defend the truth and discern error. In that same meeting, he also suggested to me that, “this Church is not for everybody” (hint hint).  I was completely blacklisted from being involved in any leadership role or ministry outside 1st grade Sunday School. Another when we saw a guest false teacher (a change agent) from Fuller, preach an anti-biblical seminar.  Another was when we heard the lead pastor preach the Rick Warren/ UN approved “global world peace” false gospel at the Christmas show.

At the next Church, it was seeing the patriotism, nationalism, focus on “the troops” (nothing against the troops I love and pray for them, the point is, the Church was in full unquestioning support of the war), praying for the president’s success (it was Republican administration at the time)…and the focus on the “Tim LaHaye/ Left Behind” version of Christianity……. the denial of spiritual meanings of scripture, the denial of the blood of Christ (per JMac’s doctrine), the denial of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the denial of the working of the Spirit today (cessationism), and the lack of real love for the sheep who were in need or hurting. And a lot of other disturbing things too numerous to mention happened there.

My personal “seeing” of the abomination happened one Sunday morning in this Church. I was sitting there, dressed in my Church clothes, trying very hard
to please a certain person at the Church by my Church attendance, Church clothes , dressy shoes & nylons, hair done pretty, happy disposition, trying to act and look “holy” (self-righteousness) and cooperating with their Church traditions……… all to try to please this one person so I would be accepted. All of a sudden the Lord spoke to me: “This is what you are choosing in place of Me?”

I was in shock.

I sat there in the pew. Stunned.

I was horrified.

I realized He would give me what I wanted the most. One or the other.

“No, Lord! I want you! ” I cried out silently to Him.

He was basically telling me that I must choose:  this Thing I was living for……. or Him.

He revealed to me that I had substituted all this stuff—all this Church stuff—-for Him, in my heart. I saw the abomination, and it was in my heart. I was also sitting in an abomination (a substitute for Christ, corrupted with that which was evil)  and accepting it as a substitute for Jesus Himself, the One whom I loved. Jesus, my first love! …… and here i was, accepting a substitute, in place of Him.

That moment terrified me.  I began repenting in earnest.

A few weeks later, during a time or sorrowful realizing of the spiritually discouraging situation at that Church, my husband decided that we were “done with —-” (this Church.) At that VERY MOMENT after my husband said “we are done”, the Lord spoke to me again, saying “You are free, released,  to follow Me.”  He called me out. I came out of Babylon. Why? To be with Him, to follow Him. Where? Wherever He goes! It has been an *amazing* almost 3 years so far. It’s been the most exciting time of growth, understanding, relationship and LIVING THE LIFE in Him, since I first met Him as a teenager.

The Church-State.

The rest of this note focuses on one aspect of the abomination. The Church-State. This is one level of the “Harlot sitting on the Beast”.
One of the scariest things to me, is seeing a Federalized American flag, on a Church stage. With a Christian flag. And a pulpit. And a Christmas tree. (lol)

I saw “Church-State” in all the Churches I was ever in. This is an abomination. I’m not going to explain why here. The Holy Spirit will teach and reveal this to you. Ask HIM. He will show you.

This is why believers who refused to participate in the Roman Catholic Church AND the Protestant Church of the Reformation were killed by BOTH GROUPS. They refused to participate in Church practices/rituals that were Roman Catholic and significantly, the other reason is they refused to participate in and submit to The Church-State, knowing this conflicted with their allegiance to Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. This issue, choosing of one’s allegiance between opposing kingdoms (Christ or…. Caesar and “the gods”), was the one issue that many early followers of Jesus in the Roman Empire (first two centuries) went to their deaths over. This issue of allegiance was the reason for the mass persecution of Christian believers in the Roman Empire.

I’m just going to share one more story.

Back before I was called out, a few years ago, I decided to have some “fun” and participate in a “fun” event with the greater Christian community in my area.  Just for fun, I decided i would participate in our local “living nativity” at Christmas time. Now, this is not just some little bitty thing in a booth with 5 people. No, this is the biggest living nativity event in America. It covers a whole block. It has tons of live animals (very cute). It has a huge “set”. It has a hundred or more volunteers playing kids, merchants, Roman soldiers, Jewish priests, harlots, wise men, bible school students, dancing maidens, and of course Joseph, Mary and baby Jesus in the manger. There are also traffic and security volunteers. Also, the city police and fire departments are all there making sure things are safe and orderly.  It is a big production. It is drama. It is spectacular. It is fun!

I volunteered as a “Roman centurion’s wife”– lol. I’m sure back then there were no upper class Roman women roaming around in Bethlehem so I pretended that I was some Roman centurion’s wife who went with her centurion husband to his post in Judea. I went all out with a homemade Roman dress, with big hair, big jewelry, makeup, and quite an act. I was cute, funny and all the rage at Bethlehem AD. The crowd went wild at my dramatic act. There were some issues though. During the “show” (10,000 people come though each night for 3 nights before Christmas), the Roman soldiers and Jewish high priests were flirting with me, even though I am clearly married in real life, and everyone participating was supposedly a Christian? Right? Well, what did I expect, walking around Bethlehem in a flaunty outfit with big hair and acting all flamboyant? What was I thinking? I wanted to have some fun with the Christian community. Strangely, this event is “supposed” to be a ministry, is rather an act of worship for those participating (or maybe just “fun” for many), and an “outreach” of the gospel for the public. Except. There is NO gospel proclamation. It is a play. A silent play, acting, part theatre, part dance (the dancing girls, the arm waving female angels with lit up crowns)………… there is no preaching, no real gospel being proclaimed. No Christ crucified. No call for repentance. No good news of salvation through Christ. There is the acting out of Romans collecting taxes and taking census, Judean village life and foreigners traveling through from the East. And lots of cute animals. And a live sweet “baby Jesus” in the manger with his natural parents looking upon him.

Well I did that for a few years. The year I came out of the System, i realized I did not want to do that anymore. Actually i grieved and repented of my participation in it. : (

I was asked back to play the part of the famous “Roman lady”….. and i apologetically denied, and said i was sorry I just can’t do it anymore. To me (now) , it was sin. They were very sorry that I would not participate any more. I felt like I was letting the Director down. I told her I was sorry.

But I understand that to many many other Christians, this is worship. It is loving Jesus. It is outreach. To them it is not sin, they see it as something not bad but good, something Christian. They are dear, sweet brothers and sisters. I understand. It took me 42 years to see the abomination.

One thing I found out is, that the participants that act in the show, come from ALL over the community, all kinds of different denominations and Christian religions. And non Christians too. Community and civic groups also participate. This tells me something. It is an ecumenical, civic event “for the common good” more than anything.

I discovered something that helped me see the big picture of this Church-State abomination. The city council was thinking of denying the Church the permission to do this, some years back. They also offered to buy the block sized lot from the Church, to develop it. The Church would not sell, and they wanted to keep doing the living nativity show. They also wanted funding from the city to cover some of the thousands of dollars it costs annually to put this production on.  So they struck some kind of a deal. The city would give permission and give money, and the Church would put on the show, and the mayor, fire chief, police chief and city council members would get to be the Wise Men and the Roman governor(s) and important Roman officials, and ride around in chariots receiving accolades and cheers from the masses.

Yes really.

The event brings at least 30, 000 people to the city from all over the Bay Area and California each year. That is nice for the local economy and the glowing reputation of the city. And the Church gets to do “outreach” (with no gospel WORDS about the truth of Jesus) to the 30,000 people who come to the event. Both the Church and the city government benefit from this arrangement. It is a favorable relationship they are both satisfied with. This joint Church-State effort is an abomination.

(The Church receives money for this event from private donors, the city council /the city government , and also corporations, businesses and civic groups.)

Last year I gave someone a ride to the event and dropped them off. As i was approaching in my car one night last December,  I was horrified. I sucked in my breath and my jaw dropped. I now saw it all differently. This is how it looked to me. There were the lights and the dozens of white dressed female angels doing their worship “dance” on top of the Church roof, with floodlights everywhere, swinging around in the night sky. I heard music…. i heard the noise……. I saw the cast members…… the Church people……..I saw the civic leaders, (the mayor! and all the others)all dressed up in the chariots partying and reveling and laughing and waving and swearing and  joking around and being quite irreverent…….. i saw the Roman soldiers doing their act with comedy routines and laughing…..I saw the flames of fire (campfire) and the dancers dancing around it……. it seriously looked to me like I was coming down the mountain and approaching the camp of Israel as she was having her orgy of riotous idolatry and wicked harlotry around the golden calf. This was a whole city block now, in full Hollywood mode. To me i saw a horrific abomination. I was frightened and prayed to God for mercy for everyone involved.

There are 2 Kingdoms on this planet. The kingdom of this world, and the Kingdom of God. They are both operating now. Everyone is in either one or the other. The saints are the “holy ones”….. the called out assembly.  We are not to “mix” with the kingdom(s) of this world. We are not to make legal and economic alliances with them. We are not to make deals with them. We are not to receive their money for favors granted. We are not to “revel and play” with them.

The “Church-State entity” is another kingdom. It is an unholy mixture. It is a blend. It is a “tapestry”: a fabric of blended, interwoven mixed components. The Church-State entity is a kingdom of the world. The “Church-State” has not the true interests of Christ, nor does it rightly represent Him.  It has worldly interests and represents the world. It does not preach Christ, it actually preaches the things of the world. It does not preach allegiance to Christ, it preaches allegiance to the world system. We either join “with” the kingdoms of this world, mixing our loyalties and allegiance, or we are loyal to the Kingdom of God alone, with Jesus Christ our sole allegiance.

It’s either one or the other.

If we all have not yet chosen which will be our sole allegiance, we all soon will.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev.18:4

15 thoughts on “Seeing the abomination

  1. Photo: (would love to upload the photo here in comments but I can’t find a plugin that works)

    On Church property, the American flag stands highest, with the CA flag next to it, a bit lower. Behind these, the Christian flag is in a cement filled bucket, behind the State flags, lowest of the 3. The American flag is in the center.

  2. Being a pilgrim here in America and a citizen of a Kingdom not of this world, I trust in Him who has the only true government upon His shoulders. Thus I went to bed early election eve and slept soundly.
    “You can’t legislate morality,” is a truism, but then so is “You can legislate immorality!”
    For this is what continues to happen.
    It puzzles me, how christians can become more upset about an election then they are about the elect, yet still reprobate. But then any system that puts a laity clergy divide as it’s basis, inviting the world in to fellowship with unbelievers, preaching a cheap grace gospel, and being silent in the market place…except to promote a safer alternative to worldly pagan celebrations, is a carnal replacement for the costliest of Grace. And a feather in Jezebel’s Hat. While the only true Gospel that we, being all clergy are to go out and preach is silenced. For in the last days there will be a famine in the land-of His Word.
    His Word is true, and amazingly relevant and accurate for our age, for those who have eyes and ears to see and hear, and is profitable to those whose lives are transformed through Holy Spirit conviction unto repentance…

    • Haven’t voted for 2 elections because the Holy Spirit told me not to. He said that if I did, it would mean me having faith in a corrupt system of man, Just a further “coming out,” for me. It has been hard being alienated from most people, even members of my own family. I have had to remove myself physically from many conversations happening among me. Actually, I am seeing that it has been a kind of protection the Lord is doing for me, so that I can develope more fully in the Spirit, not having the contaminations of the world to infect me. He is all about conforming us to His image, and anything that distracts or interfers with that, (whatever it takes) I believe He is leading us out of, and showing us which things those are in our individual lifes.

      • hi Patti, thank you for your comment, i love it. I can relate to exactly where you are right now. This was the first year (the first time) that He told me not to vote. In previous elections, I did, because (unfortunately) i had a measure of faith in the corrupt system. But He has been further removing me from the world, and this election, I knew He did not want me to participate at all. He keeps removing me from things……. much to my surprise. He is not done removing things yet (for us all).

      • I know there are more of us out there, but sometimes it doesn’t feel like it. But that’s o.k. I think it comes down to us and Him individually as far as to the whys, the whats, the whens and the hows of the decisions of our lives; to follow the Lamb wherever He goes as He speaks to our spirit. I guess you could say He has led me out of 4 cultural institutions: T.V., politics, Christmas, and the institutional church. I understand the argument some would make which some would make about being so removed from things that I cannot make an impact, but I am also seeing that is human reasoning. I am gaining more and more confidence in His Will, and that being even more impactive somehow, than my own plans to effect others. I can’t explain it really,but as I let Him lead me and virtually “take me over” the effect of Him coming through me is more effective because it’s Him, not me. This effect is both negative and positive. Negative to those who are perishing; positive to those who are being saved. It is an awesome, and adventurous journey with Him being Head. As we grow, we decrease and He increases.

      • Patti and Loretta,
        Amen! This is the first year for not voting, and we are heading into our second no x-mas, and second year “out” of the institutional church. The Lord is peeling away all the layers of the onion to His glory. The joy in Him increases in the spirit. The temporal is all passing away. The lonliness grows in terms of earthly fellowship, there are times i miss the old ease of chatting and approval. Its so true though, He must increase, and we must decrease. Yet the peace grows too in a way that is so hard to describe. It passes understanding. Yesterday we went as a family and made brunch for an older person we have known for years and her family. We got along so well 20 years ago, even five years ago before the Lord woke us up, and still love them as our neighbors very much, but I could tell there was major dislike for the kind of no Sunday church, no vote, no govt. schools, peaceful simple life we have now. We are aliens and strangers in Babylon now. He worked through us to just smile and show love. It hurts to be rejected, but Jesus heals all. His love and care are as streams of living water in the desert. He keeps whispering “Fear not.” ” I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.” ps. 32:8. Praying you and those here are blessed in His strength and love now and always.

  3. When you mentioned Rick Warren, it brought to mind a quote of his I saw on a site that had his twitter remarks. I jotted it down because, it just shocked me. He wrote: ” Only in our culture of idolatrous individualism are believers who think they can follow Jesus without belonging to a body.” And I thought with just two words changed, that might be rendered into something much more true, to wit: “Only in our culture of idolatrous collectivism are believers who think they cannot follow Jesus without group approval.” aka the false unity and delphi technique thats in all those small groups and taking over the whole world now. They renamed the dialectic the delphi technique.

    This last month the Lord has led me to seek out things I had so little awareness of even a year ago. It wasn’t until I came accross something called the Lucis trust that so many peices of the puzzle began falling into place. It was like all the dots started connecting. My whole life I’ve been so blind, surrounded by lucifarians, and didn’t even know it until the Lord opened my eyes and understanding. Suddenly so many things made sense that before had seemed so unconnected. I finally knew why I was so troubled in my spirit any time I was in a charismatic church, around the kundalini influence, why an aunt of mine who is a witch seemed to hate my guts and I never understood why. Its all in the spiritual realm. Ephesians 6 daily walk. Layers of repentence as the Lord shows new things. Our roads are narrowing. Its just as you say, this is all playing out all over again and the state-church apostacy, they (or what rules them) can see the seal in the spiritual realm. They will think they do God service. But praise be to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ who shall never leave us nor forsake us, who walks with us through the valley of the shadow of death. This world is not home.

    Loretta, thank you for sharing the truth, and your testimony. It has been tremendously edifying whenever i can read your posts. God Bless you.


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  5. Dear Loretta and brothers and sisters commenting:
    On a busy day for me – lots of chores – I had no idea that I would stumble on this post and conversatio, look up and see a lot of truth. There are questions remaining for me but since the Lord has brought me this far I know He will guide me always, just as He told us!
    I got here by linking to the post you Loretta published today, 12/29/15: “light shines in the darkness.” Thank you! To some extent I’m still fighting not attending “church” – because of the admonition in Hebrews, and because in Revelation the Lord never called His children out of those 7 church, 5 of which had horrible problems. Don’t know what to do. Right now we’re on an enforced rest from church attendance because of Xmass trees, figurines of the nativity, etc., in our sanctuary. Our pastor believes that this is one of the best times of the year to reach those who do not believe in Jesus. Considering what happens at that huge Nativity Event that was described, he has to be wrong. Xmass is a marriage of the world and false gods and ways of the heathen. (how’s that for being politically incorrect?)
    This morning we watched a video that contained a long clip from Spy Kitty TV about Saturnalia – I don’t know the link address but could find it. It stated that all false worship is worship of this planet-sun Saturn, god of death, wealth, etc. It was well documented.
    To get back to your topic, if I can add my two cents – the harlot church has been corrupting worship from the beginning, riding the beast of this world system. A great book is The Pilgrim Church by E.H. Broadbent. He said you can find the true ekklesia – called out ones – witnessing and suffering all down through history, and it’s true. Please take a look, and pray for my husband and I to be clearly guided and let go of things, big and little, so that we will truly worship in spirit and in truth.
    God bless you all – my comment is late but this is a worthy discussion and I wanted to fellowship with you!

    • hi Maria! Thank you so much for your visit, comment and fellowship. : ) I can relate to all that you mentioned. Like i said in “seeing the abomination”, it takes time for any of us to see it… some earlier, some later. I was in “it” for about 43 years before i really saw it for what it was/ is. We are all in a different place and come to times of hard decision and also being called out, at different times. There’s plenty of ekklesia still within Churchianity… many are confused, sad and frustrated but not sure why yet. Yes I love that book Pilgrim Church by Broadbent… history of saints we never heard of before. I also appreciate The Harlot Church System by Charles E. Newbold Jr. We leave the cold harsh religion of the Pharisees to follow Jesus and live by His leading and in His kingdom….and that makes them mad. And how can we not? He is our life. God bless you and your family Maria! love, Loretta

      • Thank you so much, Loretta! We will all take the next step on the narrow way. God bless you! :0)

  6. Maria! Nice to see you again sister!

    The difference between the 7 churches and today’s jesus Inc. franchises is who heards them up. Back then they were His Ekklesias and evil was entering in. They are, by the way all gone now. Today the head is a pastorpreneuer who is a hireling or worse. Like a Chucky Cheese franchise, a mascot helps you find the building but the patrons are there for the entertainment…

    Feel free to come out of the unclean thing, and allow Him to lead you into the fellowship He has prepared for you. Just remember, lively stones need formed and fitted together as they don’t fit naturally together, and He first must take us out of and then take out of us Babylon so that we are useable! Paul for example was several years alone prior to going up to meet the Apostles. Another example is Mary choosing the more excellent way of sitting at His feet learning of Him from Him, rather than Martha’s worrying about the many things.

    There is only one Ekklesia and He puts us in it/Him. Thus there is nothing else to join! It is scattered and that is a good thing! It provides us safety, and many opportunities in many places to meet-including here!

    I appreciate both you sisters! Thanks Loretta for the work you do, and thanks Maria for your love of our Lord too!

    • One thing I have struggled with is being alone-I have mostly gotten over the emotions of it, but the struggling has been over whether it is God’s desire or not. Thanks for using these 2 examples of Paul and Mary in explaining that it may be a part of His fashioning us into useable “stones.” I had known that in the past, but have forgotten it lately. I had taught about this (Mary) at a Women’s Retreat which we have in our mission’s house next door in the Fall called, “At His Feet,” showing the importance of it being about us and Him, and the benefits of meeting with Him daily, so when you mentioned Mary, God was confirming this truth to me and it helped encourage me on, even if I don’t have physical fellowship. So, thank you.

    • Mickey, thank you for your kindness! This year will be another year of change, I believe! And hope and pray for growth for all of His children.
      Yes, we can meet here and at other blogs where there is fellowship but that isn’t enough. I struggle with this because when possible we are to meet together, remembering His death in the Lord’s Supper, baptizing, teaching, having the oversight of Biblical elders – mot a laity versus clergy thing but the Biblical roles. Believe me – I don’t want to argue but just want us to be the way they were throughout history, scattered in valid churches – not the false small group model in which there is control, but churches that practices all He wants for our protection and building up. I appreciate you too. The jesus franchise concept is a new term for me and it is obvious that lots of churches are franchises ruled by powers that be, truly. But not all churche are – I want a real fellowship, truly believing the Lord wants us there. House churches?

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